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ORDERS: GETTING THEM

Orders are by far the best way to remember the full name of that "lost" buddy. Need to obtain a set of your orders. Here’s the very easiest way: Contact JIM "DOC" HALL. Doc’s been helping guys get their orders for a long while and will get you going.

ORDERS: NOW THAT YOU GOT ‘EM

FIRST: Copy them suckers and mail a copy to any of the Cacti Officers. Or scan them and send me a copy. Just hit E-Mail Us below and attach a jpg file. Better yet, type them up in Word or Excel and send them to me so I can post them online. NOW: Let’s look for your buddy!!

PLEASE NOTE: BEFORE YOU DO ANY SEARCH

Take a look at the "roster section" on the Cacti Association web site. You can look under company or you can do an alphabetical search here. Be aware that many of our guys served in more than one company so if you don’t find them listed under a company then do an alphabetical search before giving up.

DECEASED?

SADLY some of our old buddies have died over the past 30+ years. Take a look at the TAPS section in the "Roster" area you were just in or at some of the past Association Newsletters. Ben Youmans has posted and published many names of Cacti who have passed away in past issues. And you may want to look at a site called "the SSN Death Index" you can find it at http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com  This is most useful if you have a social security number off of an old set of orders. But you can also search this site by name (and you can also narrow it a bit by adding the state to the search).

WHEW!! HE’S STILL OUT THERE

SECOND: Try this since you are on the internet. Go to http://www.google.com  Type in your buddy’s name and hope you get lucky. Crud, he might be famous and show up. If he is, Google will find him. One of the best search engines around. Add it to your favorites.

THIRD: Try one of Doc Hall’s search techniques. Hey it’s free….

How to Find Old Army Buddies

Assuming the very basics

1. You have a first and last name

2. You have a good idea of what state or part of the country they are from.

Steps:

1. Go to www.ussearch.com

2. Enter first and last name (and state if you have it.)

3. Look for people with this name that are approximately the right age.

4. Note the town that they are from

5. Note the middle initial (if available)

6. Go to www.yahoo.com

7. Click on "People Search"

8. Enter the first and last name (and state) in Yahoo "People Search" section.

9. Try and match name here with name in USSearch and note address and phone number.

If there are more than one candidate in a town with the same name or if you don’t find that name in the "People Search" section of Yahoo then you may have to go to www.theultimates.com . Here click on "white pages" then:

1. Enter first and last name and town and state.

2. You will have 5 other choices besides yahoo here to look up names. Just hit enter under each search engine and try and find the name you are looking for here. Often you can find a middle initial here that will differentiate the same name in any town.

3. This series of lookups may allow you to narrow your search down to a single (or a small number of) good candidate(s).

Now please try this real world example on your own computer.

You want to find an old army buddy named Walt Miller.

You know that he was from Indiana but you don’t know which town.

You are 55 years old and you think that Walt was 3 or 4 years older.

With this information begin your search.

1. Go to www.ussearch.com

2. Enter "Walter" Miller and "IN" under state

3. You will get a long list of people. Look for one (or more) who is the right age.

In this case you will find that there is a Walter K. Miller from Muncie, IN who is age 59. There are no other candidates that are close in age.

4. Go to www.yahoo.com

5. Click on "People Search"

6. Enter "Walter" Miller from Muncie, IN in the Yahoo "People Search" boxes.

7. You will find here that there are 2 people in Muncie with this name. One is Walt Miller on County Rd and one is Walter Miller on S. Wall Ave. This still doesn’t tell you which is the one candidate that you want to try. So:

8. Now go to www.theultimates.com

9. Click on "White pages"

10. Fill in "Walter" Miller from Muncie, IN in first set of boxes. ( This is the "White Pages" search engine but the info that you put here will carry over to all the other search engine boxes.)

11. Hit enter on this first box and you will see only one person returned. This is "Walter K. Miller" who lives on S. Wall Ave. this is your one good candidate.

Please note: The reason why I use Yahoo "People search" right after I use "USSearch" is because Yahoo "People Search" recognizes nick names where as the other search engines in "theultimates" do not always.

For example Yahoo recognizes that Walter could also be "Walt". You will note if you go through the other 5 search engines on "theultimates" that they do not recognize this.

An example of how this could help you is: If we now pretend that when we went to "theultimates" that the one Walter Miller that we found was Walter "T." Miller then we might assume that the "Walt" Miller on County Rd was the Walter Miller that we were searching for (since the one on S. Wall Ave has a middle intial of "T"

You will not always find that one good candidate and even if you do this does not guarantee you that he is the person that you are looking for. Sometimes you will find 2, 3, 4, or more likely candidates. But you are narrowing down the candidates from maybe 20 –100 down to this small number.

Good luck in your search.

1. PLEASE NOTE: BEFORE YOU DO ANY SEARCH—TAKE A LOOK AT the "roster section" on the Association web site. You can look under company or you can do an alphabetical search here. Be aware that many of our guys served in more than one company so if you don’t find them listed under a company then do an alphabetical search before giving up.

2. SADLY some of our old buddies have died over the past 30 + years. TAKE A LOOK AT the TAPS section of the past Association Newsletters. Ben Youmans has published many names of Cacti who have passed away in past issues. And you may want to look at a site called "the SSN Death Index" you can find it at http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com . This is most useful if you have a social security number off of an old set of orders. But you can also search this site by name (and you can also narrow it a bit by adding the state to the search).

ALSO PLEASE NOTE: I have never paid for a search through USSearch. I have no experience to recommend for or against doing this. It is up to you to decide whether to take this extra step or not.

However, The Association has used a service which we do recommend. It is run by the daughter of one of our Cacti brothers. She will run searches for old buddies. This is best done if you happen to have a social security number from an old set of orders but she can also attempt a search based on name, approximate age, and information on home state.

You can reach Jennifer Surace at jsurace@veteranlocate.com or visit her web site at www.veteranlocate.com . A search by her has been generally less than $5.

Other Points and Suggestions

1. You can get a copy of your service records from the records center in St. Louis. Doc Hall would be happy to assist you in this. E-mail him at jimdochall@yahoo.com This is simple and free.

2. If you have a SSN for a buddy you can determine the state that this was issued by the first 3 numbers. Right now this is listed on the "A Walk With the 35th" web site under "old rosters" There is also a key there that will guide you as to the geographical significance of the first 2 numbers of the RA and US military ID numbers. These will soon be moved to the Association web site.

3. A great additional place to search for old buddies can be found at the "Lost and Found" web site http://grunt.space.swri.edu/lostfnd.htm . You can post a message looking for old buddies and you can read their archives to see if any old buddies are listed.

4. It is said that even in today’s world of high mobility most guys have not moved more than 50 miles from their Vietnam period hometowns. This seems to be true.

You can contact us at jimdochall@yahoo.com (Doc Hall) or dynawd95@aol.com (Tiny Dodd) if you need any advice on your future searches.

SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS vrs. SERVICE NUMBERS

FIRST: Social Security Numbers; If you were in Vietnam after about mid-1968 there is a good chance that your old orders contain your Social Security Number as your Service Number. If you have your Buddy’s SS#, then I would call Jennifer above. As we all know, you can’t hide too many places if your SS# is known. If you still want to check online the First Three Numbers of a person’s SS# give a clue as to where they were from. The chart below will help you determine that.

Working with Social Security Numbers.

If you have a social security number you can check to see when and where it was issued on http://informus.com/ /; If you click on "Demo" you can enter a social security number and see if it was validly issued, and if so in what year and what state.

If you have a social security number you can check to see if that person is listed on the social security death index on http://www.ancestry.com 

You can also have a computer check performed by a search service to determine last address. This will cost money.

SERVICE NUMBER CODES

If you were in Vietnam before the army switched over to your SS# as your service number then you were issued a Service Number. The USA was divided into 5 Army Districts, the first TWO digits on the service number indicate what region your buddy joined and/or was drafted from, and where he hopefully still lives. Now, these are not infallible—I have found mistakes that were probably simply clerical and a guy may have went in from a different state where he was born. For instance, a "67" has shown-up several times on my rosters and there is no listing for such a number. However, in general they are a good way to narrow the search if needed. Good Luck!

OTHER GREAT SPOTS TO SEARCH

A great additional place to search for old buddies can be found at the "Lost and Found" web site http://grunt.space.swri.edu/lostfnd.htm  You can post a message looking for old buddies and you can read their archives to see if any old buddies are listed.

http://www.anywho.com/       http://www.switchboard.com/        http://www.infospace.com/  

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Contact: JIM "DOC" HALL or WILEY "TINY" DODD  or Hit E-Mail Us below

SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS (First Three)

001-003 NH

425-428 MS

577-579 DC

004-007 ME

429-432 AR

580 VI Virgin Islands

008-009 VT

433-439 LA

581-584 PR Puerto Rico

010-034 MA

440-448 OK

585 NM

035-039 RI

449-467 TX

586 PI Pacific Islands*

040-049 CT

468-477 MN

587-588 MS

050-134 NY

478-485 IA

589-595 FL

135-158 NJ

486-500 MO

596-599 PR Puerto Rico

159-211 PA

501-502 ND

600-601 AZ

212-220 MD

503-504 SD

602-626 CA

221-222 DE

505-508 NE

627-645 TX

223-231 VA

509-515 KS

646-647 UT

232-236 WV

516-517 MT

648-649 NM

237-246 NC

518-519 ID

650-653 CO

247-251 SC

520 WY

654-658 SC

252-260 GA

521-524 CO

659-665 LA

261-267 FL

525 NM 667-675 GA

268-302 OH

526-527 AZ

676-679 AK

303-317 IN

528-529 UT

680 NV

318-361 IL

530 NV

681-690 NC
362-386 MI

531-539 WA

691-699 VA

387-399 WI

540-544 OR

750-751 HI

400-407 KY

545-573 CA

756-763 TN

408-415 TN

574 AK

416-424 AL

575-576 HI

700-728 Railroad workers through 1963, then discontinued

800-999 not valid SSNs. Some sources have claimed that numbers above 900 were used when some state programs were converted to federal control, but current SSA documents claim no numbers above 799 have ever been used.

*Guam, American Samoa, Philippine Islands, Northern Mariana Islands

SERVICE NUMBER CODES

RA

US

The first two (2) numbers are:

10

50

Hawaii, Panama, Puerto Rico

11

51

Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont

12

51

Delaware, New Jersey, New York

13

52

Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia

14

53

Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee

15

52

Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio, West Virginia

16

55

Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin

17

55

Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, N. Dakota, S. Dakota, Wyoming

18

54

Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Louisiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas

19

56

California, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Washington

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